Letter 2
from Steven

Hello Susan,

Your site on petticoat punishment is very interesting, and encouraging for those of us interested in the advantages of this old practice. I am 70 years old now, and I was brought up in Germany in the 30s and 40s, and I am still living there. Petticoat punishment I never saw or heard of, or experienced myself - except for the last two years here and there on the internet. It aims at offending or humiliating the boy in similar way and extent he had offended and humiliated girls before. So far it is a good method, but I have some doubts.

In some of the cases described the punishment seems to be too hard: once a certain limit is overstepped the effect may be to turn the boy against girls. I think the best effect would be that he really starts to appreciate and love women and girls, in addition to accepting their power and strength and superiority.

For me in that age, petticoat-punishing would not have been that hard. From early childhood I would have liked to wear a skirt and a petticoat. In a frilly petticoat I would have been clad even nicer than my sisters, and most other girls around. I was not especially conscious and proud of being a boy. That punishment would not have affected me.

Because of my doubts I started to write a fictitious story where petticoating is not used as a punishment, but as a means of education. In my story this may be accepted by a boy who is free enough to undergo unusual changes in life, thinking, education, emotions and learning, namely to become a girl himself for a certain period, living totally with girls. Possibly my approach may not work in some instances where the boy is too rude, and needs a strict rebuff - for his, and for other people's benefit. Since in my youth I lived in a beautiful boys' private boarding school, I took advantage of my experience to put the story in this context. The summary of the story is as follows:

One day the school director announces that he has heard that some boys of our school had misbehaved in the neighbouring town where they went to a movie. Some ladies and girls complained about them having been impudent and impolite to girls and women. So to meet this problem of opposition to women and girls, he and the conference of the teachers developed a plan that at least some boys should be sent to the parallel girls' boarding school belonging to the same school group, and vice versa.

The point is that those three or four boys who go for half a year to the girls' school should, during this time, try to become real girls - in behaviour, speaking, learning, clothes, hobbies etc. And vice versa for the girls who come the boys' school.

This means that in the girls' school the boys who are to undergo petticoat training as part of their education get initially informed about girlishness and are supplied with the necessary clothes. They will discover that girls' clothes - skirts and dresses - make the wearer feel more vulnerable and much less aggressively boyish. Such things are also described in the letters and stories you have already published.

The boy who suddenly has to put on girls' panties and one or two slips and skirts that are not longer than to the knees and which get lifted up by any gust of wind, will of course be scared, whether he fears to be taken as a girl or whether he is afraid that somebody will see his undies - frilly or not. He will understand the clothes-consciousness and care of the girls. As Dan writes in one of the letters that you have published, "I couldn't figure out how girls wore the stuff they did, and it didn't bother them."

One more point has rarely been mentioned in the letters I have read on your site, is the long stockings. In my youth in Germany many boys up to 14, and almost all girls, had to wear long stockings with suspenders/garters and the necessary belt or girdle or bodice (the latter only for younger children) to fix the garters in place. Somehow it was expected that the skin of the thighs, the welt of the stockings, the garter clasps and the garters be never seen by others, which means that the short pants or the skirt had to be long enough, but it often happened that while sitting unaware, or the wind blew the skirt up, they were seen, to the wearer's embarrassment.

Also it was thought that nobody should have a look under the skirt and see the child's undies, so the boy had to learn to sit properly, be careful while cycling, or climbing trees or rocks. So what the boy had to do was to be as careful as a girl with respect to these things, a girl who has to pull her skirt down or wrap it around her knees. Furthermore, on Sundays girls wore stockings that were made of silk or nylon and very delicate and sensitive - which means in that case no tree climbing or other boyish games for the benefit of the stockings. Sometimes naughty boys who had torn their Sunday clothes would have to wear their sister's silk stockings to church, and it was always interesting to see their red faces and the smiles of their sisters.

And, girls like to take much time to make themselves up, to wear beautiful undies, although nobody is expected to see them. This is not understandable for a boy, and he has to learn about this and appreciate and even copy it for himself - at least during his time as a girl.

The confused boy made to wear ravishing frilly panties would ask the question: 'Why do girls wear such beautiful frilled and decorated things if they are not allowed to show them?'

He would discuss this with the girls and hear news he had never expected. He would experience the greater strength of girls, and their greater softness and kindness. He would learn that girls are interested in learning other subjects than he, and perhaps have better intellects. On the other hand he would learn to do housekeeping and tailoring, some fine arts etc.

The final aim of my story is that it would be desirable that boys and men become more understanding with girls and women. The deeper aspects of girls' lives and psyches should be accepted and tolerated, if not loved. But the difference between the sexes must remain, the natural side of all differences. Those are the pepper and salt of life!

In present times the natural differences are often neglected and artificial differences produced - often by the fashion industry. The boy in the girls' school would learn to see where the real differences are.

Dear Susan, if you like you may publish my contribution, or parts of it, though it is not so much from my own practical experience. Keep up the good work of you and your dedicated staff,


I think I did reproduce an advertisement for children's stockings and garters for both boys and girls in a previous issue - it's hard to find things on the site these days; there is so much there. The kind of education that you propose would be excellent for many boys who are not sufficiently respectful towards girls. Petticoat discipline should be done with love and care though, and then the 'victim' will benefit from it, and end up loving women and girls all the more.

I was very interested to read about the silk stocking punishment in Germany for boys who were not sufficiently careful of their 'Sunday best'. These are the sorts of memories that are especially valuable in the pages of PDQ.

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